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Calvin Klein wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:55 am Championship Manager 97/98…I managed to find out how to do it and also edit teams and make the divisions 24 teams.

Change EDN (in the editor for the B Team) I think it was to ED3.Otherwise, the B Team is a non league team.Well that's the league I started off in (ED3).I suppose you could put the B team in any league so long as you don't go past the 24 teams in a division.

The computer controls the B Team, but you can bung your dud players in there.

Sometimes the B Team bungs out some players on a free transfer, so you have to keep an eye on that.

Also, it's not a£20 Million rule I just notice the bigger teams get given a £20 million boost at the start of the season.
Oh yeah, okay. I understand now. 20 million help from the game is to keep big team competitive. Because they spend more money on transfer fees and wages, and over time, they go below 0 easily. Despite that 20 million help, if you play the game long enough (8-10 years or more) you will see that big teams gets relegated to lower division from time to time.

B teams are not allowed to be in the same league as the main team if they are connected as someone just mentioned. If you are in La Liga, your B team can compete in Segunda division, but even if they finish 1st place, the other 3 teams will get promoted. And yes, once they start making money, they will start buying (often shit) players. So you can buy young players with good potential to gain experience or older players as a backup (in case your players get injured after the transfer season is closed). So you can move players up and down between B and main team. I think it is a great advantage to play with B teams. Also it is like a fun side quest to make them better teams.
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B teams can be in the same league it's not a point of "not allowed" I have done it by using the editor.I will try and post screenshots later on how I did it.
I'm surprised nobody knows how to do this.
It works in my version of 97/98.
In fact I was playing last night and my B Team which is being controlled by the computer manager José Mourinho I think it is.Once the manager leaves the B Team another manager is not appointed for some reason but the game still plays.

If you look at the non league teams in the CM2 editor I think the non league teams are EDL and division 4 teams which I play in is ED 3 I think….Change the EDL of the B team to ED3 and the B Team is playing in the league.Probably would have to take another team out if the league is 24 teams .
I'm playing the game through Virtual PC and an old laptop and Micro XP.

Unfortunately nobody seems to believe me at the moment, but it has been done.

By the way I'm talking about the English League I have never tried it with other leagues.
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Calvin Klein wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:21 pm B teams can be in the same league it's not a point of "not allowed" I have done it by using the editor.I will try and post screenshots later on how I did it.
I'm surprised nobody knows how to do this.
It works in my version of 97/98.
In fact I was playing last night and my B Team which is being controlled by the computer manager José Mourinho I think it is.Once the manager leaves the B Team another manager is not appointed for some reason but the game still plays.

If you look at the non league teams in the CM2 editor I think the non league teams are EDL and division 4 teams which I play in is ED 3 I think….Change the EDL of the B team to ED3 and the B Team is playing in the league.Probably would have to take another team out if the league is 24 teams .
I'm playing the game through Virtual PC and an old laptop and Micro XP.

Unfortunately nobody seems to believe me at the moment, but it has been done.

By the way I'm talking about the English League I have never tried it with other leagues.
It is not about believing, but more like I have not seen that before. It is also against the real-world rules I think. The concern is B team can let A team win easily, or the other way around depending which team requires points more.

Can you send players to B team, or promote their teams to your team?
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drad wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 1:02 pm It is not about believing, but more like I have not seen that before. It is also against the real-world rules I think. The concern is B team can let A team win easily, or the other way around depending on which team requires points more.

Can you send players to B team, or promote their teams to your team?
Real World rules don't really apply in this game as it's a computer team managed by the computer like all the other teams.The computer gets its own players in plus you can demote the "A-Team" players if you so desire and promote "B Team" players as well.The B Team will never throw a game.I've lost to my B Team quite a few times.
I appointed José Mourinho as manager using the editor but when he leaves or gets sacked a new manager is never appointed again, so it shows up as "Manager Unknown."
Because of the £20 million rule I've dropped the prize money for winning the league and cups just to see how it goes.That applies to my team as well if I win the league or cups I will get no prize money.

Just about to post some screens up.
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Division EPR this is the main Man Utd team in the editor.
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This is the Man Utd B Team…Note there is nothing under division.You can put the same as your team or any division you desire…
I always start in ED3 and so does my B Team.
If you put it in a league with 24 teams you have to demote a team.The easiest way to do this is under division edit it to EDN which means non league as far as I recall.I can't remember for sure, but it's probably right. Or just leave that field blank. But if it's EDN that team may have a chance of being promoted from the Non League.Of this I don't really know, though.…This makes the team you chose to demote non league.
There's ED1 ED2 and ED3 and the Premier Division that Man Utd are in.
In this instance if you put EPR in the division field the B team would be playing in the same league as the A team.
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This is just the Man Utd A team with the B Squad button.
I don't play the game as Man Utd Manager this is just an example.
Good luck any questions ask me.I will try to help and try to think of any way to make this easier and get this to work.
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In the editor, something I used to do was uptick both the 'U21' and 'B-team' boxes.

This effectively created a reserve team which contained (greyed-out) youngsters, where you could stow away your youth players in until they were ready to be promoted into the first team. I think it also prevented other clubs from poaching them, but it was a while ago so I'm not fully certain! Also I think it prevented the B-team from being promoted from Non-League into Football League. I must try this again to double check.
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Tor wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:21 pm In the editor, something I used to do was uptick both the 'U21' and 'B-team' boxes.

This effectively created a reserve team which contained (greyed-out) youngsters, where you could stow away your youth players in until they were ready to be promoted into the first team. I think it also prevented other clubs from poaching them, but it was a while ago so I'm not fully certain! Also I think it prevented the B-team from being promoted from Non-League into Football League. I must try this again to double check.
Sounds good.
I do find in my example that if a team come after one of the B Team players they need my permission to sell them on unless there is a clause in the contract.

Got the tactics' editor to work, but it just made the game go all wonky. :(
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Tor wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:21 pm In the editor, something I used to do was uptick both the 'U21' and 'B-team' boxes.

This effectively created a reserve team which contained (greyed-out) youngsters, where you could stow away your youth players in until they were ready to be promoted into the first team. I think it also prevented other clubs from poaching them, but it was a while ago so I'm not fully certain! Also I think it prevented the B-team from being promoted from Non-League into Football League. I must try this again to double check.
I created a Porto B team and put it in the same league but it didn't show up for me. When I ticked u21 box, it showed up in the U21 tab (next to national teams) with other U21s (e.g., France u21 etc).

It might be because of the cm9798 version difference, Idk.
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https://cm97-98.eu/

I think I got my version from here.

Did you edit what league the B Team has to be in?
I will look it up tonight /tomorrow or Sunday as I'm working and don't have a lot of time.When I get time will see if I can do it on my version.
I will post a screenshot of what I did.
I haven't tried that league, so I will do a test.
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Oh nevermind. I figured it out. It works. I never saw that before but apperantly if you put the teams in the same league in the editor, B team and first team can be in the same league. Still learning new things about cm9798. wonderful :)
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drad wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:42 pm Oh, never mind. I figured it out. It works. I never saw that before but apparently if you put the teams in the same league in the editor, B team and first team can be in the same league. Still learning new things about cm9798. Wonderful :)
Great.Glad you figured it out.Not sure how I found it out.Nice to see someone else get it to work. :)
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I don't like Dos Box that much, so I run Championship Manager 97/98 on Virtual PC 2007.

I can transfer the Virtual PC Machine quite easily to other computers running Windows Virtual PC.

Not only that, but I run this on a dedicated laptop.

I run this on a Dell Mini 910 running Windows XP.
These are as cheap as chips on eBay.

The disadvantage which I have fixed and the reason I have to run Virtual Pc on this machine is the game blue screens on save, so I have to run it via Virtual PC.

I run it on a very light version of Windows XP, and it runs faster on an old laptop than it does on DosBox.
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I agree with Calvin Klein. DosBox is a great emulator capable of running well 99% of games but Championship Manager is a 1% that suffer. It works but it's painfully slow just like in the old days. It's not fun watching screen as game slowly calculates game results. Old DOS CM requires pure machine speed. Virtual Machines are much better here and even worst CPUs will be multitudes faster than modern CPUs in DosBox. I use VirtualBox but QEMU, VMware etc. should work as well as long as it is possible to install DOS.
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whats the most recent update for this? would love to play cm9798 with recent data and update options
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leovii wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:38 am whats the most recent update for this? would love to play cm9798 with recent data and update options
Sorry I don't really know.I just basically edit my own game.

I find the program is a bit picky if you make a spelling mistake or any mistake in editing,
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Calvin Klein wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:49 pm
leovii wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:38 am whats the most recent update for this? would love to play cm9798 with recent data and update options
Sorry I don't really know.I just basically edit my own game.

I find the program is a bit picky if you make a spelling mistake or any mistake in editing,
i found v2 i was looking for on fmscout
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leovii wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:35 pm i found v2 i was looking for on fmscout
Yeah,
I'm not using v2 as it doesn't really do what I want it to do.

Not sure if it's finished now seems to have gone all quiet.

The manager sacking things is a bit of a letdown because not every manager is sacked if they are battling relegation.
The program can be a bit funny with this and can sack with the same consistency of Chelsea.
I wish that was taken out really.
I don't really manage big teams and start from the lowest league.
As the basics are all about money and the more money you have the more chance of success you can have, but small teams have got to the top and back down again.
Some teams yo-yo between the leagues and the managers aren't always sacked because of this.
I reckon I've got fm scout somewhere.
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Actually the manager sackings thing is quite rare, and I found a way out of which I never knew.If you get the boot just retire then setup as a new manager.On my first season recently I was doing quite badly but in the end managed third.I thought in the early days I was going to get booted. :)
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Ironically my last post ended "when I have enough free time..." Next week my colleague went to surgery, which itself was successful, but complications didn't let him return and finally he decided to retire as he is already in that age. So I had/have to give his lessons too and my free time will arrive on summer after school year and exams are over. Then I can explore more about B teams and which leagues how will work.
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Balthazor wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:37 pm Ironically my last post ended "when I have enough free time..." Next week my colleague went to surgery, which itself was successful, but complications didn't let him return, and finally he decided to retire as he is already in that age. So I had/have to give his lessons too and my free time will arrive at summer after school year and exams are over. Then I can explore more about B teams and which leagues how it will work.
It's quite good.The only minus thing with the B team is sometimes you put a player in there who you hope will get some games and the B Team boots them out.I assign the B Team with a manager but if he gets sacked another one isn't appointed.The game still plays okay though.

After getting promoted after the first season I transfer listed most of my squad and made £6 million on the next season I signed a load of regens.
Team is doing okay but not as well as I hoped.I don't like the nags when you aren't doing too well, though.

The B Team can be made up through the editor, but you'd have to demote a team to non league depending on what division you play in…using the CM2 Editor.
I'd be surprised if nobody knows about this little hack you can do to the game.It's quite simple, really.
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Hi Nick,
Did you release the update version 2023?
By the way, could you please tell me how can i change the league names?
I want to add Turkish League.
Thanks in advance
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I was testing a game last night, and it expired after 30 seasons….That's why I was testing it.I've got a new EXE somewhere, but I can't find it, so I decided to put Nicks new game EXE in, and it's worked under test so far in Virtual PC.I am not using DOSBOX.
Runs five nations but is under test.
It's all a bit strange.
It did get me over the 30 season limit in my original game.
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https://archive.org/search?query=Championship+Manager

Found the original 2.81 version.

https://oldgamesdownload.com/championsh ... ger-93-94/

Also, CM 93/94.Works okay and is fast. ;)
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